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#1783725 - 06/29/21 02:34 PM RETIRING FROM PROFESSIONAL SESSIONS
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I am done with the Pro scene. It is no longer fun and sesion prices has got way out of control. It use to be something I looked forwrd to 4-6 times of year but I am not going to pay $800-$1200 for a 2 hour session . Espicially with the way the profrossional scene is today. Now a days it is next to impossible to get a next day session or even a session in the same week. They all want 50% no refundable deposit. I am in a kinky mood when I call and not sure I will be 3 weeks from now. They want you to schuele 2 weeks or more in advance. Don't talk on the phone unless you pay for the call it is just not worth the headache. And pepper in client hatred on social media by some these professionals. I will take my disposable income give to someone who appreciates it.
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#1783726 - 06/29/21 03:41 PM Re: RETIRING FROM PROFESSIONAL SESSIONS [Re: ocpainpuppy]
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I know how you feel. I wonder if a new breed will emerge, realizing "You know what, you treat these guys halfway decent and you can still get $300 an hour".

But meanwhile, most of us just went 16 months without a pro session, and we are still standing. So it is possible.

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#1783730 - 06/29/21 06:15 PM Re: RETIRING FROM PROFESSIONAL SESSIONS [Re: Obedient]
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Part of me suspects that the problem has more to do with how difficult it was to obtain a session during the pandemic, which has caused a lot of those offering sessions to seriously jack up prices and treat customers with very little respect. I have sort of noticed something similar myself where I've started to notice that the turn around time after making contact seems a lot longer than it used to be in the past (almost as if clients are being tolerated rather than coveted).

Another part of me suspects that as soon as the business part of sessions gets back to a sense of normality, we'll start to see things return to normal as well (I can't guarantee that on price, but at least in attitude somewhat). I can imagine if potential clients just start dropping off the face of the planet, a more friendly atmosphere may return as well.

I've often suspected that some of the fiery commentaries I've seen have more to do with a different experience more recent dominants have added to the mix (literally the Only Fans population slowly trying to hang out shingles for in person sessions because that previous market didn't turn out to be what they expected it to be), but once the regulars start to return, things may improve.

If not, it will at least make things interesting to observe, even if from the sidelines instead of in the trenches.
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#1783742 - 06/30/21 03:25 AM Re: RETIRING FROM PROFESSIONAL SESSIONS [Re: ocpainpuppy]
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As much as I hate to say it, I completely agree with you. These angry young social media "dommes" with their hairy underarms, legs, and crotch. Have damn near caused me to loose interest in BDSM. Why should I spend $400 an hour to be with a rage filled, virtue signaling, non-binary, social justice warrior?

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#1783743 - 06/30/21 03:51 AM Re: RETIRING FROM PROFESSIONAL SESSIONS [Re: ocpainpuppy]
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From all of your posts here, you seem to be a high quality client. It is a shame you are experiencing this. It has been years since I've been an active prodom. I loved same day sessions back then. Some of the ladies I knew complained about being slow but they didn't answer their phone until noon and had rules that made it difficult for clients to get in. You hit the nail on the head when it comes to predicting when you will be in the mood for a session. Some men like to plan ahead but the ones who call for a same day session, may not be in the same mood even the next day. I don't know what to think of the jump in prices. I will say that I was charging $300. an hour 20 years ago and getting it with no problem. The prices seemed to stay in one spot for decades. The sudden jump in price is curious. A lot of prices have gone up recently. My pool service raised their rates and explained it was due to gas prices. I have noticed it in restaurants and across the board. That is just a guess.

What I find unacceptable is the snotty attitude I keep hearing about. There has been a micro niche for that over the years but it was never the standard. Of the ladies I know who are active in the session business, most of them come to be friends with their regular clients. Why would someone want to session with someone who they don't find likable? It makes no sense to me.

I hope things even out and get back to normal in your area. Sessions don't seem like a big deal until that mood strikes. Life is too short not to enjoy every bit of it possible.
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#1783748 - 06/30/21 07:10 AM Re: RETIRING FROM PROFESSIONAL SESSIONS [Re: ocpainpuppy]
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I recently plugged $300 from years ago into an inflation calculator and got $424.

Given that $800 for a 2 hour session doesn't sound out of whack.

I don't expect professionals of any kind to have next day appointments. Professionals have other clients, and schedules.

Given the prevalence of no-shows I understand deposits.

It isn't "client hatred on social media", it is people exercising the privilege a social media site gives them to express their opinion about issues and people who support/don't support issues.


I would be surprised to see my barber or accountant to rant on social media. My expectations is that professionals would want to be seen for their skills and experience, not their political views. Posting rants is bad for business. They have made other allowances to help their business interests. I think having an alternate personal account for personal views would be in line with that.

Good luck staying away. Some men find it to be a compulsion they have to give into sooner or later.

I do respect you taking your money somewhere else. Too many people complain about prices as if a luxury service were a necessity and entitlement.

Our economy, based on the free market, is based on adults simply going somewhere else if they don't like a price ( without whining about it ).

Good Luck.
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#1783750 - 06/30/21 09:24 AM Re: RETIRING FROM PROFESSIONAL SESSIONS [Re: Soapy]
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Originally Posted By: Soapy
I recently plugged $300 from years ago into an inflation calculator and got $424.

Given that $800 for a 2 hour session doesn't sound out of whack.

I agree with this entirely. It does seem odd that the prices stayed in one spot for nearly 2 decades and then jumped all at once. But, it is understandable why clients are getting sticker shock. I don't claim to know why prices didn't gradually increase over the years and suddenly are now. As an observer of the femdom business, I just see that it is. My guess is that as more ladies go back to sessions, the price situation corrects itself, however so.

I don't expect professionals of any kind to have next day appointments. Professionals have other clients, and schedules.

This is quite true. Every professional has the right set their own businesses practices. But, I will say, given the nature of the adult industry, same day appointments can double a lady's income. At least, it was like that in any area that I've ever worked in. I also found it fun...like impromptu theater. But, to each their own. Everyone has to make decisions that fit their own lifestyles and comfort zones.

Given the prevalence of no-shows I understand deposits.

Agreed. I wouldn't have done this for existing or one hour clients but, again, to each their own. It is very doubtful that a well known prodom would cheat anyone. But, it isn't unheard of. I see both sides of the deposit issue. When a lady depends on session income, setting time aside from a busy schedule to have the person not show is a bummer. Just like same day sessions fits the nature of the adult business, so does no shows. Whether the folks involved in prodom like to admit it, for many men...it is a business that evolves around how horny they are and when they have unexpected free time.

It isn't "client hatred on social media", it is people exercising the privilege a social media site gives them to express their opinion about issues and people who support/don't support issues.


I would be surprised to see my barber or accountant to rant on social media. My expectations is that professionals would want to be seen for their skills and experience, not their political views. Posting rants is bad for business. They have made other allowances to help their business interests. I think having an alternate personal account for personal views would be in line with that.

Completely agree with this. I've seen doms announce that they won't take sessions if someone voted this way or that way. It is their right, of course. But, I find it incredibly bad business. Why even turn up that stone? Irene Boss put it well when she said she was into "Escapism." The whole point of sneaking away for a session is leaving the worries at the door and having fun.

Good luck staying away. Some men find it to be a compulsion they have to give into sooner or later.

I do respect you taking your money somewhere else. Too many people complain about prices as if a luxury service were a necessity and entitlement.

Our economy, based on the free market, is based on adults simply going somewhere else if they don't like a price ( without whining about it ).

This is usually my take on this topic. But, the sticker shock with the sudden jump, is understandable...at least in my book. I hope the OP finds a good fit for him. As you said, walking away from a long time passion is easier said than done. Anything I've never known about the Ocpainpupy is that he is a reliable, well thought of client. I don't know what is going in the LA scene right now. But, in other areas, he wouldn't have a problem finding a $300. an hour session that would knock his socks off.

I felt compelled to respond to your post because we so rarely agree. We do at least 50% here. :-)


Good Luck.
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#1783753 - 06/30/21 09:36 AM Re: It's a lot more than inflation [Re: Soapy]
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Originally Posted By: Soapy
I recently plugged $300 from years ago into an inflation calculator and got $424.
Given that $800 for a 2 hour session doesn't sound out of whack.

Based on https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/ you must have typed in 2004 to get the $424 figure. 17 years ago.

If you go back 5 years, a $300 session from 2016 would be $336 today, a cumulative 12% inflation over 5 years. For comparison's sake, a $400 session would represent a cumulative 33%, almost 3x nominal inflation.


Edited by Obedient (06/30/21 09:38 AM)

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#1783760 - 06/30/21 11:42 AM Re: It's a lot more than inflation [Re: Obedient]
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Originally Posted By: Obedient

Based on https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/ you must have typed in 2004 to get the $424 figure. 17 years ago.


That sounds about right. The price has been $300 for a very long time.
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#1783761 - 06/30/21 12:37 PM Re: It's a lot more than inflation [Re: Soapy]
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I was charging $300. an hour two decades ago and having to problem getting it.
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